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Ian McDonald brings you "Stories, science, and analysis from vegan perspectives."

Veganism in Politics: The British Parliament Debates World Vegan Day
13 Dec 2011 at 11:00am

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Veganism in Politics 3: The Debate

At the end of our last episode, Kerry McCarthy MP said she’d asked for a debate in Parliament to mark World Vegan Day.

She was successful, and at the end of business on November 1st the House of Commons debated veganism. I was watching from the gallery.

In this episode, concluding our series of three about veganism in politics, we give our account of the debate. We explain what’s going on, who everyone is, and tell you which of the MPs who spoke against is officially the least sexy Member of Parliament.

Who’s Who

The three vegan MPs, Kerry McCarthy, Chris Williamson, and Cathy Jamieson, are profiled the first set of show notes from this series about veganism in politics.

Jim Paice MP is the minister of state at the Department for Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs – or farming minister – who answered Kerry McCarthy MP. Not all holders of that portfolio are as hostile to veganism. Under the previous government it wasn’t unusual for a vegetarian – like immediate predecessor Jim Fitzpatrick – to hold the portfolio.

Simon Hart MP asked Kerry McCarthy for peer-reviewed science on how farm animals were treated.

Jim Shannon, the UK’s least sexy Member of Parliament, quoted his GP as saying we needed to eat meat. There are, of course, vegan medics and dieticians.

Also present in the chamber (identified in a tweet by Kerry) were:

Alistair Carmichael, the chief “whip” (organiser) of the smaller government party, the socially liberal and fiscally middling Liberal Democrats. In contrast with Caroline Lucas, who lives in Brighton on England’s south coast, his constituency is two islands off the north of Scotland. Robert Goodwill, another whip, for the governing Conservatives Kerry pointed to a while a Labour Party comrade, also a whip, as someone whose bacon joke she’d just had to put up with.

The sole Green Party MP, mentioned in the show for not being at the debate, is Caroline Lucas.

Watching the full debate

In our show, we summarise and analyse the debate in 20 minutes.

You can also get the whole half hour debate:

watch on BBC Democracy Live watch at the UK Parliament website (the adjournment debate is the last half hour) read the official Hansard text at Parliament.UK read the annotated marked up version at They Work For You The Nocton Dairies controversy

Kerry McCarthy traded blows with Farming Minister Jim Paice over this defeated plan for a large intensive dairy farm – not for the first time. This time, it was over whether it was multi-story.

The proposal had been the target of the award-winning “Not in My Cuppa” campaign by several British animal welfare groups. Farming Minister Jim Paice had been supportive of intensive dairies, but Nocton Dairies withdrew the proposal in February after the Environment Agency insisted the risk of groundwater pollution was too high.

I checked the original planning application from 2007:

Update: these plans have since been taken down (perhaps because there’s no need for a local authority to display withdrawn plans), so these links are now broken:

The overall plan; Plan showing that milking parlours have a second story, but not one that the cows would use The planning application doesn’t show how much space the cows would have had when confined, but dividing the length of the “accommodation” in plans by the number of cows shows that each cow could not have had more than 70cm (2’3″) of width, including any space taken up by fixtures between cows.
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  • #FF @JNU_IN whose historians DN Jha & Burton Cleetus explain impact of Brit rule on Indian vegetarianism in https://t.co/YsJ1cjWpgz #podcast 4 days 2 hrs ago
  • NEW PODCAST: #VegHist Ep 12. Abolitionist veg'ns in Wild West + How Raj promoted vegetarianism + Victorian Ldn https://t.co/yJagSAjUEu 5 days 2 hrs ago
  • #FF @harish_bhimani, 1 of India's most recognisable voices, who contributed his acting to "Vegetarianism: The Story So Far" ep 13. Thanks! 5 days 6 hrs ago
  • NEW SHOW: #Vegetarian #History EP13 covers the Victorian age, when veg'ns are organised, radical, & intersectional.... https://t.co/tNYxIW2mAb 5 days 7 hrs ago
  • Memorial Hall Deerfield MA, nr Vermont border, has vegan shoes from 1790s veggie free love cult of William Dorrell.... https://t.co/skQeZKQQBM 6 days 1 hrs ago
  • We reviewed how Frankenstein's creature fits into #Vegetarian #History in Ep 12 - but what about Veg sci-fi?... https://t.co/xaslXtvd0s 6 days 2 hrs ago
  • Mike Volmar @fruitlands shows Ian the attic of a New England vegan commune where @LouisaMayAlcott lived.... https://t.co/rOfs8pGdbh 7 days 0 hrs ago
  • RT @schrodingerskit: ...unlike the energy used to process it https://t.co/Pjd1qpbunT 7 days 2 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • RT @andrewlwbarnes: @jimmympierson good article in paper. I was raised vegan over 30 years ago. So were my siblings. Now our kids too...i... 8 days 19 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • RT @andrewlwbarnes: @jimmympierson good article in paper. I was raised vegan over 30 years ago. So were my siblings. Now our kids too...i... 8 days 19 hrs ago
  • Ian talks #VegHist on today's @GoVeganRadio 5:45 PST (= 00:45 GMT tomorrow, confusingly for him). Listen live at https://t.co/LZDPEB5tU0 8 days 21 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • RT @andrewlwbarnes: @jimmympierson good article in paper. I was raised vegan over 30 years ago. So were my siblings. Now our kids too...i... 8 days 19 hrs ago
  • Ian talks #VegHist on today's @GoVeganRadio 5:45 PST (= 00:45 GMT tomorrow, confusingly for him). Listen live at https://t.co/LZDPEB5tU0 8 days 21 hrs ago
  • The steps up to this car park in Salford, NW England, actually belong to a Victorian vegetarian church!... https://t.co/FO8RQ7Baw1 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • RT @andrewlwbarnes: @jimmympierson good article in paper. I was raised vegan over 30 years ago. So were my siblings. Now our kids too...i... 8 days 19 hrs ago
  • Ian talks #VegHist on today's @GoVeganRadio 5:45 PST (= 00:45 GMT tomorrow, confusingly for him). Listen live at https://t.co/LZDPEB5tU0 8 days 21 hrs ago
  • The steps up to this car park in Salford, NW England, actually belong to a Victorian vegetarian church!... https://t.co/FO8RQ7Baw1 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • @BigIssue How could I buy a copy of last week's issue (May 8)? 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • RT @andrewlwbarnes: @jimmympierson good article in paper. I was raised vegan over 30 years ago. So were my siblings. Now our kids too...i... 8 days 19 hrs ago
  • Ian talks #VegHist on today's @GoVeganRadio 5:45 PST (= 00:45 GMT tomorrow, confusingly for him). Listen live at https://t.co/LZDPEB5tU0 8 days 21 hrs ago
  • The steps up to this car park in Salford, NW England, actually belong to a Victorian vegetarian church!... https://t.co/FO8RQ7Baw1 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • @BigIssue How could I buy a copy of last week's issue (May 8)? 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • This is the only UK club with all-vegan catering. So congratulations! Stagg (who turned @ChicagoMaroons veg in 1900... https://t.co/Z7wW9hQ0nP 9 days 11 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • RT @andrewlwbarnes: @jimmympierson good article in paper. I was raised vegan over 30 years ago. So were my siblings. Now our kids too...i... 8 days 19 hrs ago
  • Ian talks #VegHist on today's @GoVeganRadio 5:45 PST (= 00:45 GMT tomorrow, confusingly for him). Listen live at https://t.co/LZDPEB5tU0 8 days 21 hrs ago
  • The steps up to this car park in Salford, NW England, actually belong to a Victorian vegetarian church!... https://t.co/FO8RQ7Baw1 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • @BigIssue How could I buy a copy of last week's issue (May 8)? 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • This is the only UK club with all-vegan catering. So congratulations! Stagg (who turned @ChicagoMaroons veg in 1900... https://t.co/Z7wW9hQ0nP 9 days 11 hrs ago
  • Monument to Lib veg MP Brotherton; began municipal cemeteries & chaired @vegsoc's 1st meeting. (Pic CCbySA Plucas58... https://t.co/Nolp5hdifS 10 days 2 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • RT @andrewlwbarnes: @jimmympierson good article in paper. I was raised vegan over 30 years ago. So were my siblings. Now our kids too...i... 8 days 19 hrs ago
  • Ian talks #VegHist on today's @GoVeganRadio 5:45 PST (= 00:45 GMT tomorrow, confusingly for him). Listen live at https://t.co/LZDPEB5tU0 8 days 21 hrs ago
  • The steps up to this car park in Salford, NW England, actually belong to a Victorian vegetarian church!... https://t.co/FO8RQ7Baw1 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • @BigIssue How could I buy a copy of last week's issue (May 8)? 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • This is the only UK club with all-vegan catering. So congratulations! Stagg (who turned @ChicagoMaroons veg in 1900... https://t.co/Z7wW9hQ0nP 9 days 11 hrs ago
  • Monument to Lib veg MP Brotherton; began municipal cemeteries & chaired @vegsoc's 1st meeting. (Pic CCbySA Plucas58... https://t.co/Nolp5hdifS 10 days 2 hrs ago
  • @robinince @BigIssue @themonkeycage If I can be any practical assistance with that, would be delighted to help. I k... https://t.co/WPzs0XyJOe 12 days 2 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • RT @andrewlwbarnes: @jimmympierson good article in paper. I was raised vegan over 30 years ago. So were my siblings. Now our kids too...i... 8 days 19 hrs ago
  • Ian talks #VegHist on today's @GoVeganRadio 5:45 PST (= 00:45 GMT tomorrow, confusingly for him). Listen live at https://t.co/LZDPEB5tU0 8 days 21 hrs ago
  • The steps up to this car park in Salford, NW England, actually belong to a Victorian vegetarian church!... https://t.co/FO8RQ7Baw1 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • @BigIssue How could I buy a copy of last week's issue (May 8)? 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • This is the only UK club with all-vegan catering. So congratulations! Stagg (who turned @ChicagoMaroons veg in 1900... https://t.co/Z7wW9hQ0nP 9 days 11 hrs ago
  • Monument to Lib veg MP Brotherton; began municipal cemeteries & chaired @vegsoc's 1st meeting. (Pic CCbySA Plucas58... https://t.co/Nolp5hdifS 10 days 2 hrs ago
  • @robinince @BigIssue @themonkeycage If I can be any practical assistance with that, would be delighted to help. I k... https://t.co/WPzs0XyJOe 12 days 2 hrs ago
  • Conversations about Victorian #vegetarian & progressive MP Joseph Brotherton in the building he set up as Salford's... https://t.co/kr17RjLMwt 12 days 2 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • RT @andrewlwbarnes: @jimmympierson good article in paper. I was raised vegan over 30 years ago. So were my siblings. Now our kids too...i... 8 days 19 hrs ago
  • Ian talks #VegHist on today's @GoVeganRadio 5:45 PST (= 00:45 GMT tomorrow, confusingly for him). Listen live at https://t.co/LZDPEB5tU0 8 days 21 hrs ago
  • The steps up to this car park in Salford, NW England, actually belong to a Victorian vegetarian church!... https://t.co/FO8RQ7Baw1 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • @BigIssue How could I buy a copy of last week's issue (May 8)? 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • This is the only UK club with all-vegan catering. So congratulations! Stagg (who turned @ChicagoMaroons veg in 1900... https://t.co/Z7wW9hQ0nP 9 days 11 hrs ago
  • Monument to Lib veg MP Brotherton; began municipal cemeteries & chaired @vegsoc's 1st meeting. (Pic CCbySA Plucas58... https://t.co/Nolp5hdifS 10 days 2 hrs ago
  • @robinince @BigIssue @themonkeycage If I can be any practical assistance with that, would be delighted to help. I k... https://t.co/WPzs0XyJOe 12 days 2 hrs ago
  • Conversations about Victorian #vegetarian & progressive MP Joseph Brotherton in the building he set up as Salford's... https://t.co/kr17RjLMwt 12 days 2 hrs ago
  • @robinince @BigIssue Hope you enjoy the next ep of "Vegetarianism: The Story So Far". Thanks for mentioning it! Rea... https://t.co/NO7JtZJI5c 13 days 0 hrs ago
  • This #VegetarianWeek, hear the amazing backstory to today's veg movement whilst you commute/travel/do chores. https://t.co/FPxWo0UEDU 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • Hear a 19th century vegetarian hymn! Sung by @St_Marys_Choir Part of a #Radio #History of #Vegetarianism Ep 12.... https://t.co/Et7NZnTUpy 8 days 6 hrs ago
  • RT @andrewlwbarnes: @jimmympierson good article in paper. I was raised vegan over 30 years ago. So were my siblings. Now our kids too...i... 8 days 19 hrs ago
  • Ian talks #VegHist on today's @GoVeganRadio 5:45 PST (= 00:45 GMT tomorrow, confusingly for him). Listen live at https://t.co/LZDPEB5tU0 8 days 21 hrs ago
  • The steps up to this car park in Salford, NW England, actually belong to a Victorian vegetarian church!... https://t.co/FO8RQ7Baw1 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • @BigIssue How could I buy a copy of last week's issue (May 8)? 9 days 7 hrs ago
  • This is the only UK club with all-vegan catering. So congratulations! Stagg (who turned @ChicagoMaroons veg in 1900... https://t.co/Z7wW9hQ0nP 9 days 11 hrs ago
  • Monument to Lib veg MP Brotherton; began municipal cemeteries & chaired @vegsoc's 1st meeting. (Pic CCbySA Plucas58... https://t.co/Nolp5hdifS 10 days 2 hrs ago
  • @robinince @BigIssue @themonkeycage If I can be any practical assistance with that, would be delighted to help. I k... https://t.co/WPzs0XyJOe 12 days 2 hrs ago
  • Conversations about Victorian #vegetarian & progressive MP Joseph Brotherton in the building he set up as Salford's... https://t.co/kr17RjLMwt 12 days 2 hrs ago
  • @robinince @BigIssue Hope you enjoy the next ep of "Vegetarianism: The Story So Far". Thanks for mentioning it! Rea... https://t.co/NO7JtZJI5c 13 days 0 hrs ago
  • RT @robinince: here is my latest radio review for @BigIssue https://t.co/SbHLPYCufT 13 days 0 hrs ago

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